Stem Cell Therapy Demystified: Mechanisms, Myths, and Anti‑Aging with Dr. Joy Kong

In this episode of The Red Light Report, Dr. Mike Belkowski sits down with Dr. Joy Kong—a UCLA‑trained, triple board‑certified anti‑aging physician, stem cell specialist, educator, and CEO—to explore how stem cell therapy actually works. They dig into real‑world outcomes, core mechanisms (including immune modulation, scar remodeling, angiogenesis, and mitochondrial support), IV vs. localized approaches, umbilical cord–derived vs. autologous sources, and why expanded cells may backfire. Dr. Kong also shares protocols, pricing ranges, adjuncts (light, nitric oxide, nutraceuticals, peptides), and where the field is headed.

00:00:00:00 - 00:00:23:05
Dr. Joy Kong
So he said, okay, I treated this autistic kid and look at what improvement this kid got. After a edy infusion, I give him better eye contact, better ability to finish homework. No more procrastination. I did a consultation with the Parkinson's patient. She's so excited because I showed her a video this family filmed of a Parkinson's patient who was world chair bound for two years.

00:00:23:06 - 00:00:52:06
Dr. Joy Kong
Now he's running on the beach with his children.

Dr. Mike Belkowski
I love them all, but I really love that last one. Importing essentially new mitochondria to bolster energy production and everything else.

Dr. Mike Belkowski
Welcome to the red light report, your number one source for all things red light therapy. We'll also explore all anti-aging and longevity tactics centered around mitochondrial function, especially in the mitochondrial triad, which includes red light therapy, methylene blue, and carbon 16.

00:00:52:08 - 00:00:59:02
Dr. Mike Belkowski
This is your host, doctor Mike Bell. Koski.

00:00:59:04 - 00:01:24:12
Dr. Mike Belkowski
All right, everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Red Light Report. On today's call, we have doctor Joy Kong. And she is a UCLA trained, triple board certified anti-aging physician. That's not all. Stem cell specialist, educator and CEO. Doctor Kong is a sought after speaker, and her emphasis is on scientific data instead of basing information on myths.

00:01:24:14 - 00:01:50:17
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Her passion, authenticity and integrity has earned her tremendous respect from the public and fellow physicians alike. As a founder of Shara Health and Tara Biologics, she is dedicated to providing the best regenerative medicine products and services to patients. As an avid educator, she founded American Academy of Integrative Cell Therapy, where she provides training to many other physicians from around the world.

Dr. Mike Belkowski
And I've been looking forward to this conversation ever since we got to schedule doctor Joy. So welcome to the Red Light Report. Let's have a phone conversation.

Dr. Joy Kong
Fantastic. Thank you so much, Mike.

Dr. Mike Belkowski
My pleasure.

00:01:50:20 - 00:02:09:18
Dr. Mike Belkowski
So the colloquial question, I mean, you're very successful. You have a lot going on. Even pre-recording. It's like almost too busy, but in a good way, right?

00:02:09:20 - 00:02:29:25
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Give us a little origin story. How did you get to this point where you're highly sought after, successful? You're speaking, you're CEO, you're running so many different things. How did this all begin?

Dr. Joy Kong
Yeah, a very, very humble beginning. I grew up a little girl in Beijing, China, and I spent my first 20 years there, so no money, very low tech.

00:02:29:25 - 00:02:56:02
Dr. Joy Kong
I guess that's what we had. And I came to the US when I was 20 years old, and that was 1992. I just had my 54th birthday. That's pretty amazing. The the journey was unconventional. I initially came here not really knowing what I wanted to do in life. I just knew I had a lot in me and I wanted to do something in the world, something big, something that that has impact.

00:02:56:04 - 00:03:32:25
Dr. Joy Kong
But I was facing, you know, a lot of options. So I chose photo journalism for a little bit. And then I realized I really loved science in Beijing. I actually studied architecture. So it is as I was searching for my way. But I love the human body, the miracle of life. So biology was just a very natural place where I landed on and I first I thought I wanted to do neuroscience research because I was fascinated by the brain, but then I realized I really wanted to be a doctor because I really loved the intersection between science, technology and humanities and and psychology.

00:03:32:29 - 00:04:09:21
Dr. Joy Kong
So that's where I, you know, really ended up becoming a, a physician. And the at first I wanted to get into psychiatry because I was fascinated by the brain. I went to UCLA for medical school, but I did psychiatry for 11 years, and I helped a lot of patients. But I also noticed the limitation when it comes to conventional medical treatment, because they were focusing very much on symptoms and not so much on I spent a mental release of the underlying condition.

00:04:09:24 - 00:04:40:25
Dr. Joy Kong
So that got me interested in integrative medicine, in holistic approach to medicine. And from there, very quickly I found out therapy. And that's kind of the rest is history.

Dr. Mike Belkowski
Do you remember the moment or like what attracted you to stem cell therapy specifically?

00:04:40:25 - 00:05:03:16
Dr. Joy Kong
Yeah. So when I was on a bus, I was actually at a program to get support certified in addiction medicine, and there was a, anesthesiologist, and he told me that he was in anti-aging medicine, practicing anti-aging medicine. And I said, what is that? I've never heard of this particular discipline. And then he said, well, yeah, he told me what that's about, and then told me that he had been using stem cell therapy.

00:05:03:21 - 00:05:22:11
Dr. Joy Kong
I said, what I people are actually using stem cells. I thought people were doing research. So this is 2015 just this is just shows you how compartmentalized doctors are. I had no idea that people were actually utilizing stem cell therapy, even though I was interested. You know, I was fairly open, but still, as a doctor, we are all kind of corralled into a particular box.

00:05:22:11 - 00:05:47:11
Dr. Joy Kong
And then unless you are actually searching, you don't really know what's going on other than that. So that's what happened to me. So what I said, whoa, okay. That's amazing. What do you mean you're using stem cells? How for what? So he said, okay, I treated this autistic kid. And look at what improvement this kid got after a Evie infusion I give him. So he he did nothing besides giving this kid IV infusion of stem cells. And this is an anesthesiologist who really didn't wasn't trained in autism.

00:05:47:13 - 00:06:13:00
Dr. Joy Kong
And there I was, a psychiatrist. I've gone through lots of training when it comes autism. I've seen a lot of autistic kids, and I knew how difficult it was to bring any kind of improvement because the kids or, you know, the type of disorder is so difficult to make fundamental improvements on. It takes years of behavioral therapy and and medications.

00:06:13:03 - 00:06:34:05
Dr. Joy Kong
But the medications really was just to sedate the kid or help them to focus a little better. And this is really that's about it. If they do have anxiety, depression, the medication can help somewhat. It was pretty limited. It was uninspiring. So that's why I did not go into child psychiatry, because I thought this is a depressing field.

00:06:34:09 - 00:06:56:04
Dr. Joy Kong
But this doctor, he did a simple IV infusion. He did nothing else for the kid. But he said, let me show you what the teacher said. So he had this. He put out his phone, showed me like a list of 40 different things the teacher noticed improvement on, and the teacher had no idea the child got stem cell treatment.

00:06:56:06 - 00:07:22:22
Dr. Joy Kong
The teacher just was was, I guess excited and impressed that the kid had was making all these differences. Better eye contact, better ability to send his homework. No more procrastination, better social interaction, capillary. You know, improving verbalization, the ability to control bowel movements, less agitation and less aggression. So I mean, I just couldn't believe it. I said, you just did one I.V. infusion, that's it.

00:07:22:22 - 00:07:53:06
Dr. Joy Kong
And then you saw all this. So to me is about respect. I mean, when you see something that's miraculous, then you don't dismiss it as, oh, it just went off. Why, why why do we see this went off? And that's the thing that irks me a lot in conventional medicine. They said, oh, it's another one. You know, the n the number of to treat another one that's so that that's our famous phrase and of one as if the end of one is not to be respected and investigated.

00:07:53:08 - 00:08:18:13
Dr. Joy Kong
That is not triggering you tremendous curiosity, because now you're faced with a potential and possibility to truly heal. So that's what was asking me about the conventional medical realm is a lack of curiosity, the lack of respect for new evidence. But when I saw that, that's like, okay, something is happening, I need to understand how and why. What what's in these cells?

00:08:18:13 - 00:08:40:20
Dr. Joy Kong
How can the cells do this? So that's what got me down the rabbit hole. I just started to devour medical literature because of that, there's no textbook. So if I wanted to understand what stem cell therapy is, then I had to learn from published articles. Just put the pieces together. Because in each article they will give you a history, give you a background.

00:08:40:23 - 00:08:59:20
Dr. Joy Kong
And so I just started to put everything together. I read hundreds of research articles and then I have, you know, I got a really good understanding of what the cells are, where they came from, why they're able to do what they do, what kind of evidence is there. So that's what yeah. What started the whole thing that this is about nine years ago?

00:08:59:22 - 00:09:21:29
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Yeah. That's an amazing story. In retrospect or even at that time, did you know what the mechanisms were of why the stem cells to them now?

Dr. Joy Kong
And now I know, you know, the the mechanism, the cells first of all, let me ask you and ask your listener, how the hell did a human life begin? So it came from one single cell.

00:09:22:01 - 00:09:49:11
Dr. Joy Kong
Your mom and dad each put half of it into this one fertilized egg, right? There's one cell. One whole cell. What is in that cell that can make you so we don't know the answer, then you better respect. There's a mystery in life so that the mystery and the power in that mystery is what we're tapping into through Stem cell therapy and borrowing part of that mystery to help the body heal.

00:09:49:14 - 00:10:25:08
Dr. Joy Kong
So from that one single stem cell, it starts to migrate and divide and form different structures and specialize. It's absolutely miraculous. So all the way along the way, they're all stem cells until they get specialized into a particular organ functioning cell, so that anywhere along the line is a stem cell. So now we know the cells have the intelligence to know where to go once they get to the area they're attracted to by inflammation, attracted by inflammation and injury.

00:10:25:10 - 00:11:19:17
Dr. Mike Belkowski
At this point, I'm sure you guys have heard of methylene blue. Well, especially if you've been listening to this podcast for the last month or so, you guys have heard me shout from the mountaintops many benefits of methylene blue, but let's just review it quickly for those who aren't familiar. So methylene blue is a major, major mitochondrial booster. It has a lot of similar properties as red light therapy, but they actually work slightly differently within the electron transport chain within the mitochondria. As far as how they derive their benefits to the mitochondrial function. A couple of my favorite aspects of methylene blue include the fact that when you ingest it, the majority of the methylene blue ends up in your brain.

00:11:19:17 - 00:11:42:13
Dr. Mike Belkowski
So that's why you see these amazing mental energy boosts from methylene blue. It can even stave off or prevent or reverse some types of neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's. This is my second favorite part about it. So methylene blue has this innate sense to help the cells that are most metabolically dysfunctional. It goes and helps cells that have the most mitochondrial dysfunction first before helping other cells.

00:11:42:15 - 00:12:02:00
Dr. Mike Belkowski
So not only does it help cells, they need the help most. But again most of the methylene blue ends up in your brain where that is the most mitochondrial dense tissue in the body. That's why you see all these amazing benefits with the brain with methylene blue. And maybe most importantly, as it relates to this podcast and people who are a fan of red light therapy, red light therapy in methylene blue are major synergies.

00:12:02:03 - 00:12:21:02
Dr. Mike Belkowski
So of course you have your independent benefits when you just use methylene blue or when you just use red light therapy. But when you combine them together, you amplified the benefits of one another and you get the synergistic response. So anyone that's interested in red light therapy should at least be considering or looking into the many benefits of methylene blue.

00:12:21:02 - 00:12:46:23
Dr. Mike Belkowski
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00:12:46:23 - 00:13:12:03
Dr. Mike Belkowski
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00:13:12:03 - 00:13:31:22
Dr. Mike Belkowski
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00:13:31:22 - 00:14:14:29
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00:14:14:29 - 00:14:38:17
Dr. Joy Kong
with your red light therapy treatments they can do by themselves if they want to, but the major benefit is that they can tell, especially mesenchymal stem cells, which is the most popular type of stem cell we used these days. But they can break down scar tissue if the place is, you know, all scarred and fibrotic. I can literally break that down and dissolve it.

00:14:38:17 - 00:14:59:16
Dr. Joy Kong
We've seen that in heart, lungs and, you know, testes and and muscles. You know, we've seen that everywhere. It has the entire fibrotic properties. So and then after breaks down the scar tissue forms new tissue and it forms new healthy tissue. And it can generate new blood supply and literally help your body make new blood vessels so you can supply the new tissue.

00:14:59:23 - 00:15:28:01
Dr. Joy Kong
It can help salvage cells that may be dying, that didn't have to die, like in a stroke. It's not just the area that the blood oxygen is cut off. That is, is, you know, a ghost becomes dead is a neighboring cells. And the whole area that received this cascade of signals ended up triggering programed cell death. Stem cells can go in there and actually prevent this cascade and reverse it.

00:15:28:04 - 00:15:58:24
Dr. Joy Kong
It can help you calm the immune system. It talks with your entire immune system, help rejuvenate the immune system, help immune system to be less inflammatory and more regenerative. And it also has anti fibrotic and anti microbial properties. So it can fight microbes directly back to your virus fungus. And it can even give your your cells mitochondria. Because especially if you use younger stem cells instead of from your own your own mitochondria is your own mitochondria.

00:15:58:24 - 00:16:20:14
Dr. Joy Kong
It's the same quality that if you use very young cells, like from the umbilical cord, there's a reset process. The mitochondria are young and fresh and I guess undamaged. And you know, it's not deteriorated. So now we can give your body your cells fresh new kind of elevated, rejuvenated mitochondria. Now all your cells are functioning at a higher level.

00:16:20:14 - 00:16:44:13
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Well I really love that last one. I love them all, but I really love that last one. Importing essentially new mitochondria to bolster energy production and everything else. Okay. But let's yeah, I'm very mitochondrial centric and I kind of miss articulated this with the intro. You're very clearly by that last response, very science and evidence based, although to your point, you're very open to the anecdotal n equals one side of things, but also you like to demystify or debunk the myths surrounding stem cells.

Dr. Mike Belkowski
So can we go down that path and kind of highlight maybe some of the most common myths and, and debunk those for the audience?

00:16:44:13 - 00:17:04:18
Dr. Joy Kong
Yeah. So I would say the number one first myth is that some people are so afraid of getting cells from another human being. They say, well, I don't want other people's DNA in my body. Okay. The truth is, first of all, when you receive stem cells, if you think your own is the better one, that's a little misguided, because whether or not you want to admit you are aging, everybody's aging.

00:17:04:21 - 00:17:27:12
Dr. Joy Kong
Even if you're a 20 year old, your cells are not nearly as potent as when the baby's first born. However, the type of cells that we're using our at our clinic is not from the baby. I mean, it's obtained from live birth. So when the baby's born, we're taking the placenta and then vocal cord that usually would be thrown away.

00:17:27:14 - 00:17:49:07
Dr. Joy Kong
The cord and blue cord is where we get most of our cells from. The cord is actually much younger than the baby, so people don't realize it's not the same age as the baby. It's literally months prior because when the baby was forming, a lot of the cells early cells was trapped in that vocal cord and they just stay the way they were.

00:17:49:09 - 00:18:11:06
Dr. Joy Kong
So a lot of the surface markers that you no longer find in the baby, such as certain embryonic stem cell markers, are still existing in the umbilical cord cells. So when you get those cells, they're young. They have not degenerated in any way, and they have not received it as well, even for the baby, you know, but especially if you can compare with the 20 year old or above, it has not gone through environmental degradation.

00:18:11:11 - 00:18:37:24
Dr. Joy Kong
If you're into mitochondria, you know how the environment can start to damage the mitochondria even just from being alive. The oxidative damages the free radicals that start to damage your DNA and damage cell function, your cell membrane, proteins, everything. So when you have very young sources, it maintains a lot of this super power, as when the cells were younger.

00:18:37:24 - 00:19:00:00
Dr. Joy Kong
We've all seen a you've been a baby once when you were a few years old. You probably I don't even remember. When you get a cut. The cut gets healed really fast. And that is so to slow down when you're 40s, you probably were thinking, you know, why is it still here? Well, I should have you had that experience because I have.

Dr. Mike Belkowski
I was I was what's going on used to heal up really fast. Well yes. And then to add to that, that's why I would use red light therapy. Like instantly I've like a little red light flashlight or even just a handheld. But to your point, the difference between ten years ago or 15 years ago to now, you know, without using anything else, it's kind of proves the time has passed.

00:19:00:04 - 00:19:18:00
Dr. Mike Belkowski
And like you said, we're all aging at some point or another. So it's I want to say it's demoralizing, but it's just it's it's the process of life. You're losing energy, you're losing mitochondria, you're losing stem cell production, all of which help provide energy, the healing process, so on and so forth. So so so yeah.

00:19:18:02 - 00:19:39:26
Dr. Joy Kong
Exactly. So number one, the cells are not as potent and not as active. So it can't secrete as many growth factors. It can't produce the same kind of effect. And that has been proven over and over again. So this is why when I started going down the rabbit hole, I was like, what kind of cells should I use for my patients? Because that's the biggest question, right? What to use first and now how to use it.

00:19:39:26 - 00:20:01:08
Dr. Joy Kong
So but I have to pick the best source. So let me compare the different sources. Everyone says they have the best cancer cells. Well everyone can be you know they can't be, right. Right. Well let me see if anyone has studied it. Have they have looked into which one is better with direct comparisons? So then I started putting together this, this, this body of literature, which eventually became the the lecture I gave at different conferences.

00:20:01:08 - 00:20:18:02
Dr. Joy Kong
And I put it online finally it's called our omics is created equal. So that's a mess and kind of stems out the most popular type of cells that's obtained from bone marrow from fat versus from cord. So let's see how the cells function. And in every regard, if you go through the lecture and go through the clinical studies, the studies with me, it's not just like I'm telling you what what is the I'm just going over what's been published.

00:20:18:08 - 00:20:42:24
Dr. Joy Kong
The there's no really there's nothing in there. That's my opinion. I'm just presenting what has been found. So in everything that you will see, the umbilical cord derived stem cells function with higher potency, more effectiveness, and with less potential side effects. The most severe side effect that I'm very concerned about is a cancer promoting property. People don't realize when the cells are older, not only is less active, it's also less marked, less smart in the way of not being able to figure out that some cells don't belong.

00:20:42:24 - 00:21:08:07
Dr. Joy Kong
It's like you are supposed to be vigilant. You're supposed to be able to do. If you are a mess in chemo stem cells, you should be able to encounter a cell and say, oh my goodness, there's something wrong with the cell. It shouldn't behave this way. Or you know, that the signals are sending out is incorrect. So now if I'm a good emcee, if I'm a fully functional and intelligent MHC, I will say, you don't belong here.

00:21:08:09 - 00:21:39:27
Dr. Joy Kong
Let me send a signal to you and make your you self-destruct. So that's what umbilical cord derived can do. But as you get older and older, you start to lose that memory. It's like, oh, you are a cell. I don't, you know, I don't know, you are a cell. I can't tell you if you are a cancer cell or just a normal cell. So I know what I do is to make everything grow. I'm a stem cell. I help things grow. So let me secrete all these growth factors so you can grow. Now this is why there's a scare of stem cells exacerbating existing cancer.

00:21:39:27 - 00:22:01:13
Dr. Joy Kong
If you use adult stem cells right from a grown person or anything that's not embryonic stem cell, they they can't form new cancer, but they can perpetuate or or enhance existing cancer. And that's what's been found in research that these older cells are not able to get rid of cancer. So anything that's existing in the human body and you know that the human body is producing cancer cells all the time. It's a it's a fact of life. But if you have a good immune system, they're going to get rid of it.

00:22:01:14 - 00:22:19:24
Dr. Joy Kong
However, if your immune system is also aging is not quite up to par in carrying out that task. And now you put in something that's telling everything to grow relentlessly, and it's not giving the signal to tell these cells to go away. Now you have a chance of growing cancer way beyond what it was you know how it was in the body, right?

00:22:19:27 - 00:22:51:18
Dr. Joy Kong
If the body had a chance to get rid of it, now, you just tell it to grow to such a degree that now we can all strip the ability of your immune system to attack it. So that's where the scare comes from, that people are noticing that, oh my God, you know that cancer that's being exacerbated. Exacerbated. That's why a lot of doctors will not give you stem cell therapy.

00:22:51:23 - 00:23:10:00
Dr. Joy Kong
If you have recent history, you have existing cancer, you have recent history of cancer, usually within the last five years or even when you have a family history of cancer, this scared to touch you. However, I'm not scared because I've seen the research using a block of corduroy. Stem cell research is overwhelmingly anticancer. That's why am ices have been used to treat cancer.

00:23:10:03 - 00:23:33:27
Dr. Joy Kong
There's numerous research from around the world for these MSCs to be a anti-cancer treatment. That's something that's really important for people to recognize. So if you choose older cells there's a risk that you are dealing with. So that's the number one myth that I think is the biggest myth. And also I kind of want to stress the fact that people think that having other people's DNA is such a drastic thing and it's so scary.

00:23:33:27 - 00:23:55:28
Dr. Joy Kong
60% I won't go into details, but 60% of women have Y chromosomes in their body, and they can't figure out why there's such a percentage at the high prevalence of Y chromosomes in the female body. Right. You should do the X axis of XY. And then they realize the only way they could account for that high percentage is through male female intercourse.

00:23:56:01 - 00:24:16:23
Dr. Joy Kong
So literally the most common, you know, interesting human right, intimate interactions is is causing exchange of human DNA. And no one is getting sick from, from this exchange because it's just it's part of human existence. We all carry an incredible amount of DNA from all kinds of organisms in our body. So just having a foreign DNA for having it from another human being is not a big deal.

00:24:16:29 - 00:24:41:29
Dr. Joy Kong
You know, I proudly, proudly carry lots of people say that it hasn't changed who I am. I'm still the same joy. I have gotten stem cell infusions last nine years. I've probably every three months I will get an IV infusion. So I've gotten and they're all from different donors. And so I'm a I'm a conglomerate. I'm a little universe of many people, but I seem to be the same.

00:24:42:05 - 00:25:03:28
Dr. Joy Kong
So really the amount of cells you're receiving is so minuscule compared to this. These trillions of cells in your body, not to mention when they're going into your body, produce an effect because they were activated and, and, and it came out of kind of a hibernation or dormancy. They work and they die. So there's a finite lifespan. So majority of them will come do their work in my body.

00:25:03:13 - 00:26:19:12
Dr. Joy Kong
And they, they, they die. So I'm still me. The few cells I stay, I welcome them, you know, that's that's fine. Become part of me, you know, join the force. So so that's that's the first, first myth. And the other myth is that people think more is better, more cells is better. But I've gone over the research in the because I found in the American Academy of Integrative Cell Therapy, where I teach a lot of doctors, and we go over the, you know, some of the scientific studies, including how much cells to give.

00:26:19:12 - 00:26:52:27
Dr. Joy Kong
So it's all over the place. You know, some studies says more is better. Some studies say less is better. Some study says in the middle range is better. So no one really knows. However, when you give a lot of cells and the cells are not of the highest quality, you are just shooting yourself in the foot. If you give cells that are older, like from your own body, that doesn't have as many generations left, have shorter telomeres, have more toxic waste buildup, and you know, their signals are weakened and and with less intelligence.

00:26:53:00 - 00:27:26:23
Dr. Joy Kong
That's 1 or 1 thing that that we you're getting it from older cells. So what kind of cells is is more important than how many. So if you're getting from your own or if you get cells from expansion, that's very popular. Almost every overseas clinic is using expanded cells. They are getting most of that time they were using umbilical cord cells.

00:27:26:28 - 00:27:50:17
Dr. Joy Kong
Of course, they can use fat derived or bone marrow derived, but most of the overseas clinic that everyone goes to, right? Panama, Costa Rica, Mexico, the Bahamas, Colombia has all these places. They all use expanded cells. When you start to expand the cells, they start to age. So replication means that you're going to have shorter telomeres. You're going to have more chance for genetic changes.

00:27:50:17 - 00:28:14:19
Dr. Joy Kong
And especially when you replicating them outside of a human body in the artificial environment is stressful. First of all, they can secrete inflammatory factors, inflammatory molecules that can trigger reaction. Second of all, they start to have genetic changes. So instead of dividing just into identical cells, majority of the time when a stem cell divide, that's first of all, a characteristic of a stem cell is that it has the capability to divide asymmetrically.

00:28:14:24 - 00:28:39:20
Dr. Joy Kong
So it will divide into one copy that's identical to the self. So it can preserve its own population. And then another copy that's a specialized cell. So now I send out something that's more functional right. I keep myself. And then I give you something that's more functional. And you can, can have certain kind of ability to carry out certain tasks.

00:28:39:24 - 00:29:00:29
Dr. Joy Kong
So if it keeps doing this asymmetrical division and you put in a petri dish or a flask in the incubator, it will keep dividing asymmetrically. So eventually if you keep dividing right, one stem cell becomes one stem cells in one stem cell, the daughter cell. So that daughter cell of course it can't. It's not going back to stem cell.

00:29:01:01 - 00:29:18:14
Dr. Joy Kong
That becomes two daughter cells. And then that one left stem cell will divide into west and south daughter cell. Now you have three daughter cells versus one stem cell. And they keep dividing that way. So you have a big soup. You think oh my God look at how many cells I got. But you only have a little fraction that are still stem cells.

00:29:18:14 - 00:29:36:02
Dr. Joy Kong
So maybe sometimes, you know, when the conditions are just right, one stem cell may divide into identical copies. This is all proven by research. So it's not what I say. It's in research. Have actually looked into the markers and look at what these cells are. Because if you just look with your naked eye and you're not really analyzing what the genetic expression is, then you think all of this, this entire soup is composed of, you know, stem cells that are all stem cells.

00:29:36:04 - 00:30:03:27
Dr. Joy Kong
But when you actually analyze them and carefully look at the genetic markers, then you will realize majority of them are no longer stem cells. Now you're using this big soup of cells that you think are stem cells, but only a small fraction are stem cells. And you scoop up a portion and you give to patients. You say, these are 200 million stem cells because you haven't you haven't done the study.

00:30:03:27 - 00:30:26:21
Dr. Joy Kong
You don't know how many have changed into non stem cells. You give that to patient. So sometimes you may do really good. You may do with the stem cell. Any kind of stem cells can produce really good results. But a lot of times you may trigger certain side effects because there's genetic changes. There are more new surface markers.

00:30:26:21 - 00:30:45:09
Dr. Joy Kong
So when you have genetic differentiation, when the cells start to gain function, when you gain function, you can only gain function by expressing different surface markers making new proteins, new enzymes. Now you've gained these functions through these new protein formation. What new protein. That's genetic expression that's manifesting what's in your genes. The proteins are different between each person.

00:30:45:09 - 00:31:10:11
Dr. Joy Kong
So if you have these proteins that only is identical to your composition. That's an expression of your genetic makeup. Now these proteins go into another person. Now it can trigger an in rejection. So that's why there's such a high prevalence prevalence of adverse reactions in these overseas clinics. Even Tony Robbins himself said oh yeah I got really sick after I got sent up treatment.

00:31:10:17 - 00:31:35:22
Dr. Joy Kong
But that's normal. That's that's a cytokine storm. So okay, doctor Tony Robbins, unfortunately you are fed the wrong information. People are telling you, oh, this is normal and it's not normal. It's because the cells have genetic changes and is triggering and reaction acute and drastic reaction. That's why you are feeling really crummy for days. But the stem cells that we use in the clinic and most of the doctors I know, I've trained in the US use cells that have not been expanded.

00:31:35:24 - 00:32:08:15
Dr. Joy Kong
So these I almost never see adverse reactions, you know, extreme, rare occasions someone may have a reaction, usually to underlying infections. If something that's going on inside the body and the stem cells came in and is recognizing there's some kind of infection that needs bombardment now, the immune is triggered to such a degree that there's a fever, chills.

00:32:08:20 - 00:32:35:04
Dr. Joy Kong
And so I was in a great while. You may see that maybe point 1% of the time not like what Tony Robbins saying that. Oh yeah. That's common that you should expect these cytokine storm. So the cytokine storm unfortunately as a result of these multiplication of the cells of the stress reactions from the inflammatory molecules and from the surface expression of the proteins, that's identical, that's consistent with the genetic makeup of the donor.

00:32:35:04 - 00:33:05:00
Dr. Joy Kong
So so that's the thing that people need to recognize that you think more is better, but what more of what you need to know what more you got? If you got more cells from us that's completely and expanded. We've never grown them in a culture. Yes, probably the more is better. Up to a certain degree. Then you reach a point of no more gained and then you're just wasting money.

00:33:05:00 - 00:33:25:29
Dr. Joy Kong
But it's going to be very rare that it's going to cause any problems. But I would just tell people, you know, why you will get better results if you do multiple sessions. That's that's hit your body multiple times to trigger the regeneration. So don't put all of it all at once. Cells can only do so much at one point.

00:33:26:02 - 00:33:42:22
Dr. Mike Belkowski
So so I just want to step back for like from a applicable standpoint. Like I'm a consumer coming in, I'm interested in stem cell therapy for X, Y and Z, which we can get into in a moment. Here. Based on what you've said, how transparent are the people providing stem cells as far as delineating exactly what they're providing?

00:33:42:29 - 00:34:05:12
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Like you're saying we want we don't want them expanded. Well, are people actually saying that that are providing quote unquote non expanded forms or like so from a consumer standpoint, what should we look for as far as top tier quality stem cell therapy. Because if you're going to do this job, you might as well just do it right.

00:34:05:12 - 00:34:21:27
Dr. Joy Kong
Yeah. You should ask you first of you ask your doctor what kind of cells are these. Because so even if you, you, you know that younger cells it's better that I'm gonna, you know, get treatment from umbilical cord cells. So I'm doctor just say I do stem cell treatment and they're not telling you where the cells come from because there are products that actually come from somebody's bone marrow or somebody's fat.

00:34:21:29 - 00:34:44:14
Dr. Joy Kong
I mean, strangely, it happens. Don't just say stem cells, but what kind of stem cells? And then you need to figure out, you know, what is it from a reputable company and, and have that. Have they gone through all the proper screening and some what kind of mother and yeah, needs to be screened heavily for all kinds of genetic conditions, infectious disease exposures and toxic exposures.

00:34:44:14 - 00:35:10:05
Dr. Joy Kong
So all these needs to be really, really understood. And then you need to know, have these cells being grown to multiple generations. So sounds like I'm getting a lot of cells. But if the cells cell quality have degenerated, degraded, you know, even though I can be receiving a lot of cells, which I, you know, one of my lectures, I showed a ten times number cells, if expanded, you have less benefit than, you know, a 10th, one tenths of number of cells.

00:35:10:05 - 00:35:38:18
Dr. Joy Kong
So just because you receiving more, you think that that it's not just that you are getting the same benefit, you're actually getting less benefit. So you're really, really shooting yourself in the foot. Is that a marketing tactic in a sense to say you're providing more cells or is it negligence or just not understanding stem cells thoroughly that it's kind of touting?

00:35:38:20 - 00:36:01:24
Dr. Mike Belkowski
I heard some may just not know, give them the benefit of the doubt. Some believe that they genuinely believe that's better, but they have part of the picture. And they don't realize that by multiplying it that many times that the cells do change and degrade if you multiply them less generations, if possible, the degradation is loss lower.

00:36:01:26 - 00:36:24:27
Dr. Joy Kong
But even one replication cycle, there's evidence that genetically there's changes going on. But the cells the quality may not degenerate as much generally as accepted. If you multiply them more than four passages, that one is really, you know, start to go downhill. So there's a degree of how many generations. But to be honest, the clinics overseas, from what I know, they expand them way past fourth generation.

00:36:24:27 - 00:36:55:04
Dr. Joy Kong
Good to know. And then another question I wanted to ask was, what's the difference in the efficacy of like, intramuscular injection of stem cells versus the IVs that you're alluding to? Whatever you give intramuscularly, some cells will migrate into the blood vessels and get into your systemic circulation. So even if you intend something to be local, it's going to be systemic.

00:36:55:06 - 00:37:17:00
Dr. Mike Belkowski
I mean, at once. An example is that what research was shown that they were doing knee injections, they didn't even put in the muscle, they put in the knee joint and they put in one knee. Guess what? The other knee got better. So there are signals that sent out by the cells even in the cells do not get out of the joint.

00:37:17:00 - 00:37:35:29
Dr. Joy Kong
Right. Because it may be harder for cells. The cells are really big to get out of joint, but the signals they're sending out, or the exosomes of growth factors will go into the blood, you know, somehow end up in the blood and get to the other knee. So everything is systemic is as it's as ludicrous when we try to segregate, you know, separate compartments of the human body.

00:37:35:29 - 00:37:57:15
Dr. Joy Kong
So when it comes to intramuscular, some will go into systemic circulation and some will stay in the local tissue. And research has shown that the cells stay in the muscle for a long time, up to 100 days. They can still detect the signals. So some doctors use it in combination, almost like a little depot. And it's like, okay, let me give you some stem cells and and, you know, put it right there and then we know not only they're there, but they're metabolically active.

00:37:57:21 - 00:38:24:18
Dr. Joy Kong
They're responding to the environment. So they could be sending out signals and growth factors throughout the time that they live there. What they can do is limited in sending out signals. Some may go into systemic circulation, but a lot of them do stay in the in the muscle. However, if you put cells in the veins they're dispersed everywhere, right.

00:38:24:18 - 00:38:47:09
Dr. Joy Kong
So every organ of your your body is supplied, supplied by blood. That means the cells are going all over the place and sometimes it's really hard to control where they go. For example, some person may come to me wanting help, let's say, in their liver, and they would like the cells to go into their liver. So we can actually use laser light.

00:38:47:14 - 00:39:06:20
Dr. Joy Kong
So at our clinic we use laser light to direct at the organ. We're trying to heal to attract more cells to stay in that area. However, we still not we don't have the final say the cells, they go wherever they want. Sometimes the the place that the patient is focusing on. I want this organ to be healed. Well, whoops.

00:39:06:20 - 00:39:27:00
Dr. Joy Kong
Maybe your shoulder got six. I'm sorry. The cells decided that that play screamed the loudest and that's where it wants to be. So it's harder for us to control. And which is why when a patient has a lot of inflammation all over the body, we give them more cells, right? You can only fight so many battles all at once.

00:39:27:02 - 00:39:44:17
Dr. Joy Kong
If you've got a lot of battlegrounds, and then we better send the bigger, larger troop troops. When you push out in the IV route that goes into more places, it's more dispersed. So you're going to have less cells in a particular area. It's just harder to make sure the cells are congregating that area. But if you inject right into that area and you know the cells are right there, so that's the difference.

00:39:44:17 - 00:40:08:02
Dr. Joy Kong
But what's important about intravenous treatment is so powerful, and it's so beautiful is because it talks to your immune system. So actually interact with your spleen and your peripheral lymphoid system and modulate them and change how they react to the body. And we all know immune system aging is one of the biggest reasons that we age. If you make your immune system is fresh and young, just help you repair everything, then we stay young.

00:40:08:04 - 00:40:35:20
Dr. Joy Kong
So if you can help the immune system to function at a higher level, all of a sudden you're more rejuvenated. And this is why, you know, I yeah, I can't even comprehend. I turned 54, so I just had my birthday a few days ago and my dad said, happy birthday 54. I said, what? I said, dad is never my dad's 90.

00:40:35:26 - 00:40:55:27
Dr. Joy Kong
I said, dad, this is just so funny. I said, I've been around for so long but still looking so young. It looks like this is really funny because we are at a time that is actually possible. You're maintaining your body at a younger state and you just keep living. And I just keep on living and you can always bring it back.

00:40:56:03 - 00:41:16:03
Dr. Joy Kong
And that's one of the beauty. Beautiful part about stem cell therapy is that you can revert your, your aging process from the DNA level. And I love red light. I mean, we have a light bed of course, also has quantum signals. We're putting our patients in the bed before stem cell therapy. We we have this laser light, which is another form of light.

00:41:16:10 - 00:41:39:11
Dr. Joy Kong
We have, you know, another form of light, but that's a different for for skin rejuvenation. So light, I think is really, really crucial. And light also activate adhesion molecules. That's why we can shine the light in certain on certain areas of the body. And when the cells pass through is almost like, sticky here. And, you know, it's like growing those little feet, these huge molecules, like moisture molecules, seeds.

00:41:39:13 - 00:42:06:12
Dr. Joy Kong
And it gets stuck in that area. Now it states, now you can start working in that area. That's why we put light in particular region. So the interaction between light and cell is is really beautiful. We actually also activated ourselves in a, you know, activator. Well well so when we start the cells out because they usually are frozen and kind of frozen in animation and the moment we're ready to use them, we throw them out rapidly in water bath.

00:42:06:14 - 00:42:31:19
Dr. Joy Kong
And then we put them in a light well to further amplify the, you know, the cellular activity. Thereby ability and their health. So so light is a is a really important part of our treatment for that.

Dr. Mike Belkowski
Well what are the wavelengths using that. There's a red there.

Dr. Joy Kong
Yeah. There for different wavelength. We don't usually use a blue very much as the red yellow and green I think they interesting different wavelengths that we know are activating different against different cellular processes.

00:42:31:23 - 00:43:04:18
Dr. Mike Belkowski
So there's yeah, light that's a whole other subject, different enzymes and different mitochondria functions. Yep, yep. And this question might be like the most obvious one. But maybe there's some other nuances myself or the audience aren't familiar with. But why would a person do stem cell treatments? And what is a what is a stem cell treatment regimen look like?

00:43:04:21 - 00:43:28:20
Dr. Mike Belkowski
And what are the different price points one can expect if they want to go through a legitimate, high quality treatment therapy because nothing else has worked right?

Dr. Joy Kong
That happens all the time. People have tried everything we've had people with chronic back pain, people with, joint injuries. So they thought they have to replace the joint people with Parkinson's brain and other brain conditions, traumatic brain injury, you know, after stroke, people with heart failure, liver cirrhosis, kidney failure, and, you know, reproductive system problems.

00:43:28:23 - 00:44:03:07
Dr. Joy Kong
So everywhere, okay, all kinds of organs, traditional conventional medicine doesn't have a whole lot to offer. And they are seeing almost out there. And at the end of their ropes they're searching for solutions. And the beautiful thing is that so much benefit has been seen when people use some of the therapy. I'm just showing. We just did a consultation with a Parkinson's patient.

00:44:03:09 - 00:44:29:02
Dr. Joy Kong
She's so excited because I showed her a video this family filmed of a Parkinson's patient who was wheelchair bound for two years. Now he's running on the beach with his children, and the video she posted didn't even tell us I happened to run into it. Posted on Instagram showing him running and you know, faster than the child. It is unbelievable.

00:44:29:04 - 00:44:53:23
Dr. Joy Kong
And this is after just two treatments. So do you. Yeah, I've seen reverse old liver cirrhosis after one treatment. I mean sometimes, sometimes it takes longer, sometimes it's very fast. It's hard for us to predict. But of course the younger person is, I think maybe a little easier. And the shorter duration of the condition is, you know, these are general less toxicity.

00:44:53:29 - 00:45:16:22
Dr. Joy Kong
The person has, you know, the little faster may we may be able to reverse. So if the person has a lot of issues and may take longer, may take more sessions. So in general if somebody comes in with a chronic condition. So first of all, they don't have to be sick to come and get treatment. Like I wasn't sick nine years ago.

00:45:16:25 - 00:45:35:28
Dr. Joy Kong
I just wanted to be smarter and, stay young and feel better, you know, be happier, just be basically a more vibrant person and stay that way. So that was my purpose. But a lot of other people who come to our clinic, most of the people come to our clinic, have severe health issues ranging from autism for, you know, all kinds of organ failures and our recommendation for people with chronic conditions is one session every 1 to 2 months and give it at least three sessions to see how far we were able to get your body to heal.

00:45:35:28 - 00:46:12:15
Dr. Joy Kong
It doesn't mean that after one session, you're not going to see results, and you only see benefits after three, because we've seen drastic results after one session. If you're happy with that and you you you think you're good, okay, then you don't have to do the third and the second and third. However, for most people, you may need multiple sessions.

00:46:12:18 - 00:46:31:29
Dr. Joy Kong
I think that the one and done is in the minority. It's maybe 1,020% of them is one, you know, but it happens. But I don't want people to expect that thinking that, oh, I did the stem cell treatment. I did one session, I didn't notice anything. Well guess what? We've seen people who have not noticed any anything after one session, but after the second boy, they start to notice big difference after third, even more drastic.

00:46:32:03 - 00:46:56:06
Dr. Joy Kong
So give yourself the chance. Just like when you're getting sick, you can't tell that you were getting sick for a while. Like when you're getting a cold, right? And people they didn't know but you caught the cold a week ago, but you're just feeling sniffly and crummy now. But the whole time you were getting sick but you didn't know.

00:46:56:13 - 00:47:16:23
Dr. Joy Kong
Same thing with getting better the whole time. You are getting better, but you, like I can tell the difference. Sometimes you can tell your body, you know, it takes a threshold for the physical symptom to be noticeable by you. So that's something that people need to keep in mind from it. From specifically an anti-aging perspective or motivation. What does that type of regimen look like?

00:47:16:29 - 00:47:39:08
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Are we talking once a quarter or once every six months? 12 months? I know it depends, but yeah, we generally recommend one in every 3 to 6 months. So the rationale is that the cells will live in your body for about 1 to 3 months. But the regenerative elements they send out, including exosomes, will have this effect lasting in general about three months.

00:47:39:08 - 00:48:02:19
Dr. Joy Kong
So if you always want something regenerative in your body, these signals to be in your body, then do it every six months. But if you always want some cells around, then do it every three months where people do it every two months and then also the sicker you are, or the more decompensated you are, probably the more frequent you want to want to use it.

00:48:02:26 - 00:48:24:09
Dr. Joy Kong
One analogy is a roll of toilet paper. So if you think about when you first put it on the on the rack, right, it seems to go very slowly. You keep using it and when it goes toward the end when you start rolling it, it seems to go really fast. So that's the aging process. So go faster and faster, faster.

00:48:24:11 - 00:48:42:04
Dr. Joy Kong
That's why people look, you know, not too different when they're 40 but between 40 and 50. Wow. That's a big difference. 26 I start to go faster. So if the deterioration is going faster, then the addressing of the deterioration also need to be more frequent. Right? You can have the same frequency. So you may want to speed up a little bit more.

00:48:42:04 - 00:48:59:20
Dr. Joy Kong
So that's kind of the general, you know, conceptualization of it. And for all of these treatments are we talking IV yeah, that's the mainstay. But at our clinic we do all kinds. For example, if we want to target brain conditions, we can use something to open up the blood brain barrier first, allowing more cells to access the brain.

00:48:59:24 - 00:49:17:19
Dr. Mike Belkowski
We can use intranasal exosomes to gut to get more cell exosomes right into, you know, a cross chromosome plate to go into your brain directly. We can also do direct injections because we don't really inject into organs that carries more risk. I prefer to use laser to guide the cells to stay in in organs, to get to organs.

00:49:17:19 - 00:49:39:16
Dr. Joy Kong
But for more accessible areas on the surface of the skin, right. We can do facial hair rejuvenation, we can do muscle tendon joint injections, and we can do sexual wellness direct injection into the penis imaging. So those are the common areas we we actually put the cells in. And then price point again I know this depends greatly on where the modality or how you're providing the stem cells, so to speak.

00:49:39:23 - 00:50:07:28
Dr. Joy Kong
What's the general ballpark price per treatment like? What can people expect if they if they want the high quality stuff that you're providing? Yeah. Well, just it just over a broad stroke, the general price range both in the U.S. and overseas, between 5000 and 30,000, that's a common a grant there. Some people charge, you know, 50,000. You know, that's more outlier.

00:50:08:03 - 00:50:31:12
Dr. Joy Kong
But in general between 5 to 30,000. And our clinic, we are generally kind of average and slightly below average that that's kind of where I feel the most comfortable. As far as charging patients, I really I want to be valued for my service. But I also never, would never want to gouge people. I just, you know, I so we have a very reasonable ratio at our clinic, which is only one that I can speak about.

00:50:31:12 - 00:50:58:19
Dr. Joy Kong
For a simple joint injection, we charge $3,500. And if we do an IV infusion that's based on your body weight, age and health issues. So everybody's different is very individualized. But in general, if you are a light person, you like like me, you know, whatever, 105 pounds, you're under age 65 and you don't have any health issues, then just two cc's is enough and we start at $8,500.

00:50:58:22 - 00:51:25:18
Dr. Joy Kong
And if you are heavier and older and sicker, then it can go all the way up to about $16,000. So that's general range for IV treatment. Of course if you add start to add other things, if you want to do nasal exosomes, you want to add the facial hair or Pinas vagina or joint injections. Then it start to to add up from there.

00:51:25:20 - 00:51:47:13
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Gotcha. No thanks for outlining that. And is there anything else specific to Stem cell therapy? Any other myths or any other things people should consider that you want to talk about? Because, doctor Joy, how much time do you have? Because another topic that I was hoping, oh, I know, I love all this information. We might have to have another conversation, but how much time do we have to talk about peptide therapy? Or should we save that for another day?

00:51:47:13 - 00:52:07:15
Dr. Joy Kong
We can. I mean, we can save it. Yeah. Once you get me started on Stem cells, I know another myth is that people think that now we isolated the signals that stem cells use to to promote its benefit. Then we just need the signals. We don't need the cells. So I hear that often. This is why I'm talking about this is one of the prevailing myths that people say, well, we have exosomes now. That's what the cells use to communicate. So we don't need cells anymore. And that is very shortsighted, as is like, you know, okay, so we have a you we have the product of something, you know, then we don't we don't need what made the product.

00:52:07:15 - 00:52:27:25
Dr. Joy Kong
So the cells do so much more than is signals. First of all, the cells are the origin of the signals. The cells can produce exosomes which are these lipid bilayer enclosed particles. Nanoparticles that's full of exosomes. And it has nuclear acid, you know, little DNA, RNA pieces that has a lot of a lot ability to signal other cells because it confused with another cell.

00:52:27:27 - 00:52:53:28
Dr. Joy Kong
All of a sudden the cell has all these signals and is in its own body. And these packages can also go into the cell nucleus to make changes in the DNA. So it can literally change you, modify you. So that's great. However, the cells are a living entity. The exosomes are very short lived and put in the body and it dissipates very fast.

00:52:54:00 - 00:53:23:24
Dr. Joy Kong
So within, you know, 24, 48 hours that that's, you know, it's done. The cells live for about 1 to 3 months. It's a living entity, right? It's got DNA, it's got mitochondria, it's got ribosomes. Got this whole apparatus of making these things happen so it can make numerous exosomes. You keep making exosomes during his lifetime as long as a live is going to make these exosomes.

00:53:23:24 - 00:53:45:00
Dr. Joy Kong
So it has this whole time to make new exosomes, not just make exosomes like any exosome you produce in a lab, these are exosomes that actually are responding to your body's needs. If you got some place your your muscle that's screaming damage, then the cells would go into that area and produce exosomes. That's relevant to the muscle healing, right?

00:53:45:00 - 00:54:08:06
Dr. Joy Kong
If your your kidneys is also screaming, you know, needing help, then the the stem cells that goes there may secrete particular exosome packages. That's important for the healing of the kidneys. So it's tailored. It's like a smart pharmacy. So instead of just, you know, giving a package of drugs, now we're giving you entities a pharmacy or pharmacies in your body.

00:54:08:06 - 00:54:30:20
Dr. Joy Kong
So that's the difference. So the cells also travel to places where needed. And once is there it will give you what you need in the local area. And then is a gift that keeps on giving. It keeps secreting these exosomes. So it's very important to know that that if you just focus on lab obtained exosomes, yes, it's great.

00:54:30:27 - 00:54:55:03
Dr. Joy Kong
It can produce benefits. I use it all the time in our clinic has its own place. But you think that it can replace cells? That's arrogance. That's just you done that. You're not respecting how life works. And not only cells produce exosome. That's not the only thing they produce. The cells can make those factors. It doesn't put in those packages.

00:54:55:03 - 00:55:16:09
Dr. Joy Kong
It just spit it out into the extracellular space and go, where does, you know wants to go. And it can also send out mitochondria. Right. The exosomes has no mitochondria but the cells do. The cells can give you mitochondria. All these things are not part of the zone therapy. So that's another myth that I think people really need to to understand the difference.

00:55:16:09 - 00:55:34:27
Dr. Joy Kong
And and yeah, I just I just think I don't want people to forego the benefit of stem cells. I know once in a while some people only want to get exosomes, and I just feel like they're missing part of the benefits. You know,

00:55:34:27 - 00:55:56:21
Dr. Mike Belkowski
I appreciate you explaining that, from your perspective or what is your perspective on different potential nutraceuticals or supplements that are promoting the ability to foster stem cell production or mitigate the decrease in stem cell production? Stem region comes to mind. There's probably others out there. Yeah. Do those actually also use and region at our clinic is a part of our protocol actually.

00:55:56:21 - 00:56:28:23
Dr. Joy Kong
So it's great to get more cells out of the circulation because of whatever we give to the patient. Some of them may go back to the bone marrow and we want them out. We want them circulating and keep working. So because it doesn't do anybody a whole lot of good if they're just trapped in the bone marrow, which is why they have bone marrow stem cell therapy, they're taking cells and the bone marrow to put in the blood. Right. They're all there. How come you're not better? But when I take it out of your your bone marrow, put in your blood, all of a sudden you're doing better, right?

00:56:28:23 - 00:56:47:06
Dr. Joy Kong
So just sitting the bone marrow is not doing a whole lot of good. We do need to put them sometimes in, in, in places. And if they do have a tendency to aggregate to certain locations that we can use methods like like stem region to, to bring them out. But you also want good circulation with. Right. So you put the cells in the blood.

00:56:47:06 - 00:57:07:20
Dr. Joy Kong
And if your circulation is poor, it's not going to get to the areas of inflammation and injuries and get stuck. It just doesn't get to the end organ. That's why I also use nitric oxide to open up the blood circulation. That's really important. Really important for healing. But actually oxide also has mobilization properties on stem cells that help them to be more mobile.

00:57:07:20 - 00:57:28:05
Dr. Joy Kong
And then I also add different building blocks for example, the perfect amino which is the amino acid blend, essential amino acids. Okay. Yeah. You need you just need the building block. If you don't have it, then you can't make the right proteins. The proteins are what's making up the the tissue structure, the the enzymes in your body and the peptides you need.

00:57:28:07 - 00:57:51:03
Dr. Joy Kong
So you need these essential amino acids. And I also give people super acid, which I think is really important to give them these trace minerals and certain antioxidants. That's a kind of a nature's way of bringing all the nutrients together and having a delivery system, which is the the big acid, into your cells, and then also help to disrupt the cells to toxic fly.

00:57:51:05 - 00:58:14:17
Dr. Joy Kong
So detoxification is is a major issue. So you can keep putting great cells in your body. But if you put in a dirty pond, it just it's hard. It's much harder to do to make your plants grow well and to to flourish. And so yeah, that's that's important too. So these are the few things that I think are our nice to add for stem cell therapy.

00:58:14:17 - 00:58:37:22
Dr. Mike Belkowski
But nerve can't always be more as we have technology this this this explosion of different things that people can do. Yeah. Besides nutraceuticals and, you know, energy therapy methods. And it's pretty exciting, but that makes sense as far as wanting to have an environment that sets the stage for successful stem cell therapy. So like in physical therapy you do pre therapy prior to surgery, whether it's, you know, ACL or rotator cuff, what have you.

00:58:37:28 - 00:59:02:29
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Strengthening the area as much as possible prior to surgery makes your post surgical recovery much quicker and then more enjoyable, if I can say that. So similarly, I would think if there's enough time or I don't know it, of course it's dependent on the person's health status, all that stuff. But having a person does body and their environment, internal milieu as healthy as possible would help you.

00:59:02:29 - 00:59:33:23
Dr. Joy Kong
Doctor Joy, as far as providing them with the stem cell therapy and having the success rate be as high as possible, right, versus someone who's coming in and and having a trash environment. If you want acidic and inflammatory, that whole side of things makes sense to me. This is why in our clinic we have a group of doctors, so everybody has their expertise.

00:59:33:29 - 01:00:18:19
Dr. Joy Kong
We have doctors who are hormone replacement experts, doctor who is, you know, specializing in difficult and tough conditions and, and pediatric issues. And we have Doctor Who's great and, hair restoration at sexual wellness or a doctor who's really great at musculoskeletal repair. So everyone but they have all of them have the knowledge of how to use a holistic approach to improve your body's function from many levels.

01:00:18:25 - 01:01:17:09
Dr. Joy Kong
So we ran different lab test, right? Micronutrient test, toxicity test and test for detect different underlying infections and and other hormonal, you know, markers. So we want to make sure that we're not missing part of the picture because you could be giving me, you know, a high number of cells, but you're not addressing if the underlying your body doesn't have the building blocks, you know, it doesn't have certain nutrients.

01:01:17:09 - 01:01:34:25
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Let's say, you know, vitamin D or, you know, very common, right. Or certain or zinc. So no matter how much cell you're getting, your body's still sluggish. It can't get to where it wants to go. So all these are important. And then to your point, you've alluded to this with the laser with other light therapies or red light therapy.

01:01:34:25 - 01:01:55:21
Dr. Mike Belkowski
But there's there's more. And more research coming out showing photo by modulation specifically red near infrared light helps promote the release in the mobilization of these stem cells. So like what you're doing in your clinic, I'm sure you're helping promote or to your point, the laser. You're you're even guiding that for as much as you can. But then people at home granted, getting a stem cell treatment is superior.

01:01:55:21 - 01:02:16:15
Dr. Joy Kong
But if you have a powerful enough red light therapy device to penetrate and get deep enough to stimulate that bone marrow, stimulate the release, you can somewhat help promote the release. And again, mobilization of your if your own stem cells. But of course, in concert with stem cell therapy it's a beautiful synergistic response. There is this area here.

Dr. Mike Belkowski
Go ahead I do that. I hold myself infrared sauna. I put red light panels for laser light. Like this morning I had a zoom meeting at both lasers on me. Like I'm going to utilize this anytime I can.

01:02:16:15 - 01:02:40:11
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Well, on that point, doctor Joy, outside of stem cell therapy or along with it, what would you attribute your impressive vitality and youthful nature? I don't want to say such a late age. I mean, 54 is going to become quite young soon, if it isn't already, but given that you're 54 chronologically, what would you attribute again? Your youthful vibrance to outside of stem cell therapy? Or I mean stem cells? A clear number one. Correct.

01:02:40:14 - 01:03:03:21
Dr. Joy Kong
You have to you have to give stem cell huge credit because without stem cells, I don't know if I would be functioning at this level. Yeah. Because this is not just this. You know, I think I must have retained my vitality and usefulness because the stem cells, this is based on all the research that has already been done, especially on animals. Because animals is so much easier. You can see the aging process and you can see the effect on longevity. And because let's say mice and rats, they, they, they their lifespan usually is about 20 months.

01:03:03:24 - 01:03:28:17
Dr. Joy Kong
So you can quickly do a study and see what happens. Right. You see that the mice aging, aging, aging. But if you start giving them stem cells, all of a sudden they they're getting younger and they're more useful and more vital, better locomotion, better mental capabilities. And now you can see the anti-aging effect in front of your face.

01:03:28:23 - 01:03:47:08
Dr. Joy Kong
So that's what we're we're looking at. And because these studies have have shown because they have a capability to dissect these animals, that they actually dissected their brain and their muscles, looking at these mice and rats, they're supposed to be old. But after getting get they get stem cell therapy. When they look at their tissue, all the markers that will usually accumulate with aging like toxic waste and senescent markers and and a decrease in growth factors and neurotransmitter, everything was reverted to how they should be in the younger state.

01:03:47:13 - 01:04:22:15
Dr. Joy Kong
So you have objective data that these cells literally function at a younger state. So I like I cannot you know, I you know, if I leave stem cells out then I'm really not being fully honest. So I think that is the foundation. And that's also a very, very easy way. I was talking about myself as a lazy biohacker.

01:04:22:20 - 01:04:42:24
Dr. Joy Kong
I really I'm not very consistent with doing things. I just I get impatient and I get annoyed. So a lot of times you, I, you know, I say I'll do this and then it just is really annoying. So I don't do things consistently enough. The only thing that's truly consistent is stem cell therapy, because it's only once in a 3 in 3 months that I can do right.

01:04:42:24 - 01:05:03:07
Dr. Joy Kong
Once in three months, I give you my arm, you put some cells in my veins, and I'm done. So I love that. But besides that, the most important thing, I think, is what you put in your body. So if you start to put toxic stuff, all these food additives and preservatives and, and, and bad oils and sugar in your body, then yes, you're going to trigger the cells to age so much faster.

01:05:03:09 - 01:05:27:12
Dr. Joy Kong
I think that's the, the second most important thing. You should move your body a little bit more. I applaud you for walking the entire time you were talking, as you're embarrassed that just sitting here still, what you're doing is so much smarter and yet, I shouldn't I need to move my body more. Frankly, I really should. But that's, I think, better diet movement that's going to do you so much good.

01:05:27:15 - 01:05:49:13
Dr. Joy Kong
A lot of people talk about sleep. I actually I don't do very well in that I'm not sleeping enough. So like I said, the only thing I think I'm, I did fairly good is my regular stem cells. And I'm putting healthy things in my body, movement. I need I still need to improve consistency with supplements and, you know, other modalities.

01:05:49:13 - 01:06:10:25
Dr. Mike Belkowski
You happened to track your biometrics with anything I was using? Again, my lack of patience. I was using the, wearing only at night, but that I haven't use it for months now. So yeah, eye tracking sometimes. Yeah. The the blood sugar, the CGM monitor, it's fantastic. I've used that quite a few times that last night giving me so much insight.

01:06:10:25 - 01:06:38:15
Dr. Joy Kong
And yeah, I think those are the, the few major things. Well, what else do you use to track your vitality? Like you, I mean, I don't use a ton. I recently got an aura, so I've been using that for, I don't know, month, month and a half before I was using a bio strap. But for me, I, I use it because when I add things or take things away, or let's say I have a really stressful day or a really relaxed day, I want to see how that plays or objective.

01:06:38:18 - 01:07:01:00
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Objective relative to the measurements kind of are portrayed on on well, now the aura ring. So if it's like a new diet or a new supplement or a new bio hack, I just want to see how it impacts like my V or my sleep score or, and, or if I take it away to kind of like play the little scientific role, how does that alter it?

01:07:01:06 - 01:07:21:23
Dr. Mike Belkowski
You know, kind of going back and forth to see if there's any objective different. I need to mention another hack that, you know, that would be not not be fair if I don't mention it. You you have mentioned peptides. I do love peptides. That is simple. Believe me. I actually prefer injections to taking pills I somehow. Yeah, it's it's it's a lot to swallow.

01:07:21:23 - 01:07:41:27
Dr. Joy Kong
Does you prefer injections? Yes. Yeah. Because it's fast and quick. So there you go. So I do love peptides and I use them I rotate them. So at our clinic we carry a lot of peptides and my favorite peptides. So from brain regeneration to immune boosting from muscular repair or weight loss, mitochondrial function improvement, skin health and sexual health.

01:07:41:27 - 01:08:07:26
Dr. Joy Kong
So you know, just about every aspect, major aspect. We have we have something for patients. So I do use that as an adjunct for stem cell therapy. Just like using a light I can tailor, I can focus on certain organs. The peptides also gives me tremendous sense of like a power as a as a healer. Like I've got tools I know what to give you.

01:08:08:02 - 01:08:32:02
Dr. Joy Kong
And that is so much fun because you come to me for a specific problem. Just like I said, I give you cells and the cells do the rest so I can control exactly what they do. But if I want to tailor your treatment to a particular place, if you have, you know, like today, we have this person without human conditions.

01:08:32:02 - 01:08:49:00
Dr. Joy Kong
Okay, let's put some t other one in the midst. If somebody has, you know, this other leg with Parkinson's, let's consider suitable lysine. That could be really really powerful addition. So now I can tailor blood sugar issues. Oh gosh. I have a whole bunch of things for you. So yeah, that makes it really fun because you, you got more, more capabilities as a healer with, with peptides.

01:08:49:00 - 01:09:11:25
Dr. Mike Belkowski
And I don't know how deep we want to go into this time wise, but is that something a person would potentially take on a very consistent basis, or what's the thought process behind peptides is like once a week, once a month, once a core. Like the ties are different, but in general, and most of our peptides are daily use for some time and then people take a break.

01:09:11:25 - 01:09:33:19
Dr. Joy Kong
So just this is I don't know how much scientific backing there is about taking breaks. It's kind of like in the medical world, people talk about not necessitate or desensitizing certain biological pathways or receptors. So you want to take for some time, and then you don't want your body to be overly accustomed to it, and then you take a break.

01:09:33:21 - 01:09:57:03
Dr. Joy Kong
So the conventional wisdom is you take something for a few months and then you take it. You take maybe a month off and then you can, you know, take it, take it again. Certain things like the growth factor and the growth hormone secreted like ether, more or less CJC 1295 and Laurel and etc.. Some of the recommendations five day on two days off.

01:09:57:05 - 01:10:20:04
Dr. Joy Kong
Although some say that's not necessary. So I generally take most of the things every day and I take it for maybe a couple months, and then I take a month or two off. And there are, of course, exceptions. Something like Apatow long, you only need to take 15 days and possibly only twice a year. So that that one, because it's not just a peptide, is a bio regulator peptide.

01:10:20:06 - 01:10:45:26
Dr. Joy Kong
So that's a very short sequence of peptides that can actually go into your cell nucleus and modify your DNA. Once you improve the DNA, you don't have to do that every day. The DNA is good and the cells is functioning at a younger and more vibrant level, and that can last for for months. But if you have particular health issues or cardiac issues, you may want to take it a little bit more frequently.

01:10:45:26 - 01:11:08:17
Dr. Joy Kong
It does rejuvenate your cardiovascular system, but if you generally doing it for anti-aging purposes just twice a year is fine. So there are some exceptions. Which peptide or peptides is best if there are, some are one for specifically mitochondrial function. Marcy, they're well known for mitochondria improvement. The other one I think is at 31. So that those two are specifically more of a mitochondrial function.

01:11:08:17 - 01:11:38:06
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Gotcha. I'm not very familiar. Like what would those two do? Or like what's the role of the Motsi? And then the second one, physiologically I remember the exact mechanism. But those are mitochondria peptides. Yeah I have to look into the exact mechanism. Yeah. But those that definitely help with rejuvenation and higher functioning are the mitochondria. Gotcha. Gotcha. Well, you got me curious.

01:11:38:09 - 01:12:01:10
Dr. Joy Kong
So off to look at myself back back to, stem cells. Let's wrap this up with where do you see the future of stem cells going? Do you see it becoming much more ubiquitous, used in different ways? Where do you see the research go? And just give us your thoughts on that?

01:12:01:13 - 01:12:20:14
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Okay. My thoughts is that stem cells is not going to be fancy anymore. Right now, I still fancy and as people say, goes for the people who have resources and it's it's you or some people think you have to go overseas, which is completely not true. And right now is a yeah, you need probably more resources. People with or, you know, people who are definitely seen a lot of people would give discounts for significant discounts for people who have less financial resources, but still is a sizable investment.

01:12:20:14 - 01:12:47:06
Dr. Joy Kong
But the price is going to come down. It's going to be absolutely more and more ubiquitous. It's going to be part of medicine, because we now have just discovered that we have these elements that literally are smart pharmacies that we can put in the body, that does everything for all your organs all at once. I mean, how beautiful and complete that kind of therapy is.

01:12:47:13 - 01:13:09:24
Dr. Joy Kong
So that will be used for every arena of medicine, all of it, because that's what we already do in a clinic. I was trained as a psychiatrist, so I have no business, you know, getting people so much better that their own specialists can't do right. I got lupus people going into remission, people with severe chemical sensitivities, people with brain disease and with liver, heart, lung, you know, kidneys and all these you or people who think that they have to get better knee replacement and I save their knees.

01:13:09:29 - 01:13:40:19
Dr. Joy Kong
So what am I doing? You know, if I was trained in psychiatry, how can I do all these things? That shows you the beauty of this particular therapy, that all you have to do is and know where to put it, and the cells would take care of the rest. So it a such broad application. And then it can be used for everything for broad enhancement of health and, and for rejuvenation.

01:13:40:24 - 01:14:07:02
Dr. Joy Kong
So literally anti-aging if fights against your aging process so everyone can benefit, who doesn't want to slow down an aging process? Aging is the strongest predictor for cancer and all kinds of chronic illnesses. If you can reverse the biological age, you can slow it down by seven years. Half of the world's chronic illnesses will be gone. That's how powerful the aging is.

01:14:07:02 - 01:14:31:04
Dr. Joy Kong
Or anti aging. So that should be used for everybody. We can slow down the aging for everybody can imagine half the world's chronic illnesses, which means half the world's suffering from physical illness will be gone. I mean what an incredible vision. So not only we're slowing down the aging, reducing the potential for suffering, but also if people do suffer, they have an accident.

01:14:31:06 - 01:14:56:03
Dr. Joy Kong
They have to have a surgery. Well, the some stem cells in the body, all of a sudden you can heal 2 to 3 times as fast, which as I've seen consistently in all sorts of surgeries where people do pre and post surgery, stem cell infusion. They also are much faster. I mean, the pain goes away fast at the swelling and of course the scar.

01:14:56:04 - 01:15:16:02
Dr. Joy Kong
You know, it's going to be a better scar and just yeah. And always as far as surgical outcome and then the infection you can get insight okay. For example covet for example at the beginning of Covid I just come back from China. But families are still in China in Beijing. So October 2019, that's when I visited my family.

01:15:16:03 - 01:15:39:15
Dr. Joy Kong
And then when I came back within a few months, oh my gosh, things are happening in China is terrible. People are scared. Okay, okay. When does it come to America? So when they came and everyone's freaking out, I was wondering how long I was going to live as well. But is this the end? So then I was searching.

01:15:39:15 - 01:15:56:19
Dr. Joy Kong
What have people done? What's going on? Are people doing research and what is helping? And then, lo and behold, I ran into research articles of the Chinese using stem cells to treat Covid patients, severely sick Covid patients. These are all intubated patients, right? In dire condition. Guess what? Almost all of them. Six separate studies left the hospital within six days.

01:15:56:22 - 01:16:19:07
Dr. Joy Kong
Incredible results. So that's right. The Chinese is going to try to do everything they can to stop this spread so and stop people from dying. That just shows you what it can do in acute infections. So in in every aspect and we've seen that stem cell therapy great for chronic Lyme disease people get drastic results. So a lot of times people's bodies are stagnant.

01:16:19:09 - 01:16:45:20
Dr. Joy Kong
And in fighting these chronic infections things are just not moving. Your body's stuck in inflammation and just not getting better. You everything sometimes you may have tried everything, but it's not until the final engine is put in your body literally. These cells stem cells are like putting the engine into the car. You can have a car with terrible engine.

01:16:45:22 - 01:17:07:12
Dr. Joy Kong
It's polluted and and, you know, just got all kinds of gunk in it. And you, you can put all kinds of great fuel, right? You put in your antioxidant your, your green juice and your and all these amazing supplements or even light. You put all these amazing things in it. The engine is not good. The car is not moving very well.

01:17:07:12 - 01:17:27:23
Dr. Joy Kong
So until you give it a good engine, then you just putting adding things to hoping it's better when you need to to solve things on the foundational level. So everything is important. Same thing is true if you have a beautiful engine and you just have all the horrible fuel in in this, in this car, it's not going to go very far either.

01:17:27:27 - 01:17:46:09
Dr. Joy Kong
You need to take care of all of it.

01:17:46:15 - 01:18:19:15
Dr. Mike Belkowski
A couple of questions. With stem cell being so effective as an anti-aging, given what it does physiologically, do you think the average lifespan can easily become 100 and above if yet some cells used on technology?

Dr. Joy Kong
Yeah, well, in animal studies it's been consistent that animals lifespan. When you start to give these rats and mice regular IV stem cells or younger stem cells, not their own, but from a younger the rats and mice, their lifespan is extended by 30%.

01:18:19:15 - 01:18:49:06
Dr. Joy Kong
So that's been validated in multiple studies. So what's the average lifespan of a human right? Let's just say 8080 years increased by 30%. That's another 24 years. So yes. And who knows really like how far that can be taken. But but that makes sense. And then my second question, based on the seemingly insurmountable increase in demand for stem cells, I'm sure there's ways.

01:18:49:06 - 01:19:12:23
Dr. Mike Belkowski
But are you worried about the demand or sorry, the supply being able to meet the upcoming demand increase?

Dr. Joy Kong
Nope. You know, we're we have plenty of babies been born. Yeah. And the technology of course is going to evolve. Don't know where to go yet, but at this point we've got plenty of umbilical cord stem cells to go around.

01:19:12:26 - 01:19:31:19
Dr. Mike Belkowski
And I guess that would also be another factor for driving the price down over time is the technology. All that stuff is going to improve. And of course there's going to be other ways to improve the well, I guess to your point, babies are always being born, so there's always going to be that supply I guess.

Dr. Joy Kong
Yeah, that's that's called a gas act.

01:19:31:25 - 01:19:53:21
Dr. Mike Belkowski
So God is making helping to make these new babies fresh new stem cells. That's reset every time. When the sperm and egg meet, there's a flash of light. There's a reset process that's very mysterious to humans. That's when the news resource and the source of cells are made. Yeah. This is amazing. This is a fun conversation. So I've had stem cells done once, doctor Joy.

01:19:53:21 - 01:20:15:00
Dr. Mike Belkowski
That was last April. And I was just dealing with a couple of aches and pains. And virtually overnight, like those disappeared. So I'm very interested in having this as a, for me, anti-aging regimen going forward, especially once the price comes down. But based on your information, I just want to know what kind of cells you are using.

01:20:15:00 - 01:20:42:26
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Oh gosh. The people. Okay. Mike, it was back in last April 2018. So that people okay, all the people it was at an event, they were claiming they had information of why their quality was superior, their vetting process and their storage process, because they were emphasizing how important how you store them is. So, like, I can't articulate it based on court sentence, I assume it is okay, I can't remember.

01:20:43:03 - 01:21:02:06
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Yeah, I won't go there. But but anyway, so so I have I have some very I'm really happy to hear that I'm jealous that you get to use it on such a consistent basis every three months. Like that's the optimal anti-aging program. It sounds like. So. So that's amazing in for people watching the video. Or if you're not watching the video, go check out.

01:21:02:12 - 01:21:23:25
Dr. Mike Belkowski
Well, she's also on the podcast album cover, but she looks younger than I am and I'm 35, so she's doing something right. It's like, yeah, but but okay, doctor Joy, this has been a fantastic conversation. We'll have to bring you on for some more, because I'm sure we could go deeper into peptide therapy and other things. But for the time being, where can people go to learn more about yourself, check out your services and whatnot.

01:21:23:28 - 01:21:59:03
Dr. Joy Kong
Yeah, one of those places will be just my website joycon MD a.com. So calling is kayong like King Kong. And then the other resource will be my YouTube channel. That's just a Joy Kong MD. So that one I have that probably more material on stem cell therapy than anybody I know. So most of my patients have come in watching all my videos and I tell them, I say, if you've watched all my videos and you know more about stem cells than most doctors know, so it's a great resource, to get familiar with stem cell therapy.

01:21:59:03 - 01:22:19:06
Dr. Joy Kong
And then I have my Instagram that, you know, I'm very approachable cuz I love helping people. My Instagram is is doctor underscore joy underscore Esquire. Com and then I have my podcast as well the doctor Joy column podcast. So I walk you can people to to listen to it because I do interview a lot of experts in health wellness.

01:22:19:14 - 01:22:34:14
Dr. Mike Belkowski
But also I talk about stem cell therapy there as well. Amazing. So so we'll put all of that in the show notes guys. So just check out the show notes and the links will be there available. Doctor Joy, any last words for the audience? I know you give us giving us a lot of information and a lot of great things to think about.

01:22:34:14 - 01:23:07:09
Dr. Joy Kong
Any last words before we sign off here? Yeah, I want people to and to really consider stem cell therapy for just to prolong their useful time and highly productive and vital time on Earth and really utilize that, that this is a time people don't realize how lucky we are because I always talk about how throughout ancient times, you know, the Chinese and, you know, so in 5000 years, all these emperors were always sending out emissary looking for the fountain of youth.

01:23:07:14 - 01:23:25:21
Dr. Joy Kong
So they have been looking for it. Nobody got it because they if you look at their paintings, you know, they all got old and they all died. You know, it's a fairly, you know, similar ages. You know, they didn't live that long. But this is a time you don't have to be a king or queen. You don't even have to have a, you know, astronomical amount of money.

01:23:25:24 - 01:23:43:08
Dr. Mike Belkowski
But now you have access to this incredible technology. So we are super lucky. Take advantage of it 100%. Couldn't say it better. Doctor Joy, thank you so much for your time. I know you have a heck of a busy schedule, so thanks for setting aside time to come speak to us. This has been an amazing conversation and again, I'm sure we'll have you on again.

01:23:43:10 - 01:24:00:24
Dr. Joy Kong
Yeah, I really enjoy it. And I again applaud you for for taking care of your physical health. Well, past physical therapist, I better do something right. So shout out to Chris Giffin for motivating me to get on the treadmill. But for doctor Joy Kong, this is doctor Mike Bell Koski signing off another episode of the Red Light Report.

01:24:00:27 - 01:24:16:09
Dr. Mike Belkowski
You guys have another excellent week and I'll see you on the next episode.

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